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1. Hector (hector)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 17:17:10 PDT Hector
   Violence is not the moral way to solve any problem.
   • 御園はくい (hakui)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 18:22:09 PDT 御園はくい

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     @hector but if you don't necessarily require the solution to be moral,
   • Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 18:43:07 PDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ

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     @hector Just wondering, do you extend that to violence in self-defense or as a punishment for a crime?
   • Hector (hector)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 19:05:12 PDT Hector

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     • Internet Turtle Ⓐ
     @infernalturtle both of those cases seem to be asking essentially the same thing, which is "does violence justify violence"? The answer is no. In the second case, since crime means breaking the laws of the state, you have introduced a statist assumption, namely, that crime is immoral. In a non-violent society there can be no violent punishment. Other kinds of punishments may be acceptable as long as people act within their rights. In the first case of self-defense, it requires a much more in-depth analysis, which I currently lack the time to provide, but as a starting point I would say that the act of self-defense is not justified merely by the use of violence by another, rather, it is justified to the minimum extent necessary to protect oneself.
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